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Unmasking the Beauties and Intricacies of El Dia De Los Muertos

• Diana, Nancy, Xenia • Season 1 • Episode 27

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Ever wondered about the origins of our beloved Halloween and how it compares to Dia De Los Muertos? Well, buckle in as we dissect the intriguing history of Halloween, tracing its roots back to Ireland, the UK, and France. From acknowledging saints to a festival of costumes and candies, the evolution of Halloween is quite an adventure. Moving to Dia De Los Muertos, the Day of the Dead, we'll peel back the layers of this colorful Mexican tradition, exploring the customs, symbolism, and the cultural ethos that celebrates death as a part of life. 

We delve deeper into the rituals associated with Dia De Los Muertos, from the respect paid to loved ones through cleaning their caskets to setting up intricate altars that honor the departed. The elements of a traditional altar, with contributions from water, wind, earth, and fire, and the customary use of marigolds and favorite foods, all carry unique significance. We'll also reflect on the comforting experience of setting up an altar for deceased pets and understanding the energy dynamics that dictate the placement of the altar.

Finally, we pivot into a more controversial topic - the prickly intersection of religion and politics. The double standards and the role of religion in judgment and manipulation are put under the microscope. We critique a Mexican political candidate's approach towards child trafficking and their dubious use of religion to further their agenda. But there is a silver lining as we highlight two women running for office in Mexico, emphasizing the need to separate religion from politics for a fair and equitable political atmosphere. Join us on this thought-provoking and enlightening journey.

Xenia:

This is Latina's State of Mind, a podcast created by Latinas for all audiences, where we can share our experiences about love, life and everything in between.

Diana:

Welcome to another episode, another spooky episode. Oh I know, Ooh, Latina's State of Mind.

Xenia:

We should just make Latina's State of Mind a spooky podcast. I like it.

Diana:

Yeah, I wouldn't be a good vibe. We bring the good vibes oh, yeah, oh yeah, that's us, most of us, most of us. What?

Xenia:

She was like wait a minute, I'm just kidding.

Diana:

Well, today we're going to be covering a little bit about Halloween and mostly about the Dia de los Muertos Day of the Dead. What was it? I like it, I love it, thank you, thank you. First of all, I do want to preface that these two holidays are completely separate.

Nancy:

They're not the same.

Diana:

They're not the same Because, yeah, we'll cover about this a little bit more.

Nancy:

Any initial statements about these yeah, I think, sorry, go ahead. No, no, you go. A lot of people think that maybe they are the same but, like you mentioned, completely different, celebrated on different days for different reasons. I'm excited to talk about it, thanks.

Xenia:

I love Halloween and I love the Dia de los Muertos. Yeah, it's like my favorite time of the year.

Diana:

Okay, well, both of them actually are very spooky. But just to start covering, halloween revolves about darkness, death, ghost witches, candy and costumes. Let me get a little bit more behind it. I'm not going to cover too too much, but this is an old fashioned holiday that dates back thousands of years, takes place the last day of October because they're celebrating the what's it called the last day of harvest. Okay, and they were just kind of sell not celebrating, but kind of, in a way, celebrating and also pushing away bad spirits by having a celebration which is cool. And basically it kind of started as a homage to saints and but eventually it kind of evolved into what we have now. Let's see, they used to. Let's see what am I trying to say?

Nancy:

There's a word here.

Diana:

Sam, so in that's what it is. It involves very, a lot of ritualistic ceremonies. These were used to connect with spirits, and this is where you get the jack-o-lantern.

Xenia:

This is way back in the day.

Diana:

This is how you get the jack-o-lantern. People used to wear costumes to scare away these spirits.

Xenia:

Oh, that's so cool.

Diana:

And disguise itself from ghosts.

Xenia:

So that's why they're dressing up Exactly Okay.

Diana:

Yeah, it's rooted back from Ireland, United Kingdom and France and then it, you know, was brought over by immigrants. Of course, Immigrants bring all the great things, but here in America the celebration started in early 1900s consisted of large parties to honor harvest, to share ghost stories. Hey, we're being part of that right now Sing and dance and the original costumes were kind of like not superheroes but maybe just saints and angels. But it kind of evolved to everything else now.

Nancy:

So it didn't start with like a sexy bunny and stuff like that. It didn't, unfortunately.

Diana:

Interesting. I would have imagined a sexy nurse, sexy nurse.

Xenia:

Or sexy anything, really no exactly, but could you be a sexy anything with that much clothes back in those tanks?

Diana:

I don't think that was okay back in the day, just throwing it out there.

Xenia:

Well, extra cleavage, maybe that's what made it.

Diana:

So, yeah, that's just a little coverage about Halloween. I mean, we still celebrate to this day and we have way more fun now, and we're still, in a way, spooking away all the ghosts, but the other los muertos is kind of.

Xenia:

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Before you go on with your Dia de los Muertos. My bad, go ahead. What's your favorite Halloween tradition or what's your favorite thing to do during Halloween?

Diana:

I have an answer for this the I don't know. As a little immigrant, at one time I received a little a ball of popcorn, and I don't know why, but I thought this was great. I had never seen popcorn in a ball form and so I don't know. That's one of the things that always, whenever I see those, the candy, but like that specific, that, yeah, that specific shape, that specific snack I get, I don't know, it makes me happy, it makes me excited for Halloween, but that's the one thing that just kind of gets me like going in the spookiness seeing all the snacks, and especially that one snack.

Diana:

That's cute, that's super cute.

Xenia:

Thanks.

Nancy:

I think for me is like watching all the scary movies and maybe going to like a haunted house and things like that. I was never like very into Halloween, like dressing up and anything like that. I think I have been more recently. But yeah, I love watching scary movies and just being in the mood for them.

Xenia:

Same. So at work we always have, like we always just dress up to see who in the work area has a better theme, and I'm always so excited to come up with themes and always like we're doing this I like to make my own costumes.

Diana:

And.

Xenia:

I love, just like the scary movies and the decorations and everything's so creepy.

Nancy:

Yeah.

Xenia:

It just feels so like nice to me, I love everything about Halloween.

Diana:

It's like a warm, like weird.

Xenia:

Yeah, it's different. I don't know it's different, but I get it.

Diana:

What are you going to be for this? This I don't know yet. Don't share it. Well, I don't know yet.

Xenia:

Well, I don't know yet I've been thinking about it, because last year we were I was a zombie princess, which was pretty fun, huh, okay, yeah, zombie Cinderella, oh right.

Diana:

Zombie Cinderella.

Nancy:

Oh yeah, that's great. Do you guys prefer when? If you dress up to be something scary or something slutty?

Diana:

Scary. I always is slutty. I rotate between a sexy vampire. Do you have a rotation?

Nancy:

Yeah, she has a rotation A sexy witch or a sexy devil.

Nancy:

I've seen the devil.

Xenia:

Have you, I think I've seen the sexy vampire.

Nancy:

I have pictures of that sexy devil I have a video of that devil, oh in the cage yeah.

Diana:

I remember yeah.

Nancy:

Did I get?

Diana:

money that day.

Nancy:

No no not that day, I wasn't that day.

Diana:

Oh, I remember that now. I love that Good time yeah.

Xenia:

Very good time. I was Lilo and I had to stay in the car.

Diana:

Thank you, you guys remember that you were Harry.

Nancy:

Potter. Yes, oh, I remember now I had a greener, actually, but oh, you were from the Harry Potter family. I think that shows who we are as people the devil Fucking nerd and we just really love.

Xenia:

I loved it because we had stitch just sitting at the table drinking. Yeah, I just wanted to know, about your time. No, I love that. Go on with Day of the Dead.

Diana:

In a little bit. Let me just point out that Halloween is a very holiday for me because I always get fucked up.

Xenia:

Not this year or last year or I remember.

Diana:

Anyways, let's move on. Now we're going to be talking about the other, those martyrs, the day of the dead. Yes, it's still very spooky, but this is not a holiday to scare the spirits, such as Halloween. This is a holiday to invite the spirits. It kind of started with people not wanting to mourn. They don't want to say goodbye, they don't want to, they don't want them to leave. So this day it's a celebration. It started many years ago with the Aztec and Nawa people. I'm not sure about that, but to them, actually, mourning was considered to be disrespectful and because they still considered the dead to be part of the community. Oh wow, I love that. I don't necessarily like this thought because, I mean, the person is dead, but I like the idea. I like the idea that they were not going to forget their loved ones.

Nancy:

That's beautiful.

Diana:

It's just the way to keep their memory alive. The idea de los muertos is when the dead temporarily return to the earth to be by our side, and many celebrations take place during this day. I just learned this today as well. The first day this is November 1st. It's a celebration or invitation for all the children the children to come in and get back, basically, or celebrating. It's called Dia de los Angelitos. I did not know this. The second day and the third day this would be the second and the third of November. The second is Dia de los Difuntos. This is adults, part of the second day, and the third day is just overall, dia de los Muertos. This celebrates all spirits, including your pets. I thought that was very thoughtful just because they're considering everyone.

Diana:

I thought this was very special. It's not a somber day, it's not a day to be sad. It's a day to celebrate life and color and food and snacks and people that are dead and people that are alive just coming together. Many times you will see ofrendas or offerings. These are kind of a center piece, I guess, where you put pictures, you put up food, you put up snacks, you put candles, especially because candles are supposed to guide the ghost into your house. I'm sorry, not the ghost, but the spirit.

Diana:

For children. You can put toys in there Then. Marigolds are also extremely important. There's an actual word for here, Sampasuchi. I love that. Thank you for saying that. I could not be able to say it. This is also helped to put around the grave sites to actually guide them back to their stones, to help them back to their grave. I also do not know.

Nancy:

This is such a beautiful and meaningful tradition.

Diana:

It's been passed along from thousands of years. As we mentioned, something that we see very often the calaveras, or the skulls, and the catrinas, which is the standing skeleton. These are also kind of to. They're made up very elegantly and they're decorated very elegantly to also portray like a better symbol or a happier symbol of death. I think I don't know. I grew up in north of Mexico so I didn't have a lot of this growing up, but I'm very glad to have learned this and to be covering this as well.

Nancy:

That's interesting that you say that, because I also grew up in northern Mexico and Chihuahua and the other is Martos was never something that we celebrated. I actually didn't start learning about it until we moved here, and very recently a lot more with, like the movie Coco and stuff like that, yeah, but it's so beautiful, I love every detail.

Xenia:

When I was a kid, I think I was a little scared because in Nayarit, where I'm from, my mom had a few people that had passed away and she used to make these, like they're called, coronas, like decorations for their cemetery.

Xenia:

And she would make like paper merry-golds and decorate these coronas with and she would take them to a cemetery as a gift to like the people that had passed. And Then we would go and there was like this like parade type of thing and they had like scary things, like To me and they were scary at the time because I was a child, but there was like a la vera's and the heat, those and like it was just all the things that Diana talked about. And I remember being like what is this, you know? But I didn't understand it. It's a. As I got older I understood more about it and I now I'm so thankful that it's such a big part of our culture and like I look forward every year to just making a little friend for my family and just Decorating it and it makes me feel like they really are here, like my dad really comes, my, my grandma's really come visit and even if it's just like Remembering them, it's such a positive way of remembering.

Diana:

And yeah, and that's the whole point is just to remind them, them, remember them and do it positively.

Nancy:

Yeah, yeah.

Xenia:

So I recently learned about this place in Mexico and can't betcha, to be exact, I found the name here. Yeah, the poch poch poch much in el municipio, the I don't know how to say that, but it's in can't betcha, in Mexico and the people there, they go to the cemetery and they Actually open the caskets of their, their loved ones and they clean them.

Nancy:

Oh, wow.

Xenia:

So every year, for for around the other most mortals, they go to the cemetery, they open these caskets, they they start setting them up, depending on how long the person's been dead. I think there's a time where they do it like it. I think it's like a six year or something after the people have passed, but they go and clean them and Set them up and it's like a respect, it's a respectful way of loving them and it's such a different, like it looks so morbid when I first, you know, but they sit there and they talk to them and they lovingly clean them and and it's just like such a Different way of honoring the people that passed in such a different way to like continue to love them and like Still, in their own way, help them out. I was like wow, like it was just an interesting. Yeah, that's very interesting.

Diana:

I, that's I'm learning this right now. Yes, you're right, it does sound very morbid, but I can understand the thoughtfulness behind it. Right, and that's gross. That's what I was. No, but shout out to them for doing that. And that's crazy how you mentioned that they have like a waiting period, because they know that there's gonna be a period where the body is not gonna be suitable to handle like us.

Diana:

Yeah and you know and I'm also thinking about the history of like how these people came about to doing this back in the day and like yeah, so it's passed down generation after generation exactly something that's been happening in this particular town for maybe hundreds and hundreds Exactly and I don't know.

Diana:

I just get to appreciate how rich the history is yeah and the and also the tradition that this Continues to happen nowadays, especially with I don't know. I feel like we get more Sensitive in a way and we're like you know I don't want to deal with that, but now people are like no, we're gonna continue this and we're gonna continue celebrating the life and taking care of our dead ones, yeah, yeah, it's a great way to show your love and respect.

Nancy:

I mean a great way for you if that's how you choose to do it. Yeah, but definitely super interesting. I don't think I could do it.

Diana:

Honestly I don't think I could do it, but I'll stick to the off-rama.

Xenia:

But it's cool that they do like. I think it's just really interesting that I think you have to see, see death in such a different way to be able to be able to do something like that. So I'm I'm interested to see or know what their mind like, what their thoughts about death and dying are.

Diana:

Oh yeah, like their initial thoughts on how they got to this point.

Xenia:

Yeah, that would be cool, Like that'd be very cool to learn. Yeah, because it's not like they're Desensitized of it, like that. They're still love and appreciate their families. But they see this body, these bones, have something different. You know, that's pretty cool to learn, yeah.

Diana:

I'll stick to no, but I do want to go back to another point that you made of, like setting up your altar. That's something that I started to do just recently, like two years ago, basically, because it I, I like it. I like the feeling of Maybe they are here visiting, yeah, and at least the people that have passed, some people I really truly cared about and I it feels comforting that, hey, maybe they're gonna come in, check in, have a little snack, have a little water and then just leave. Yeah, I don't know, I really like the idea of that and that's something Even if you're not from Latin America or whatever, you can still celebrate this. You can still celebrate the life and the death of a person.

Nancy:

Yeah, I like it and I like the part where it's like a positive celebration.

Diana:

Yes.

Nancy:

A day to be sad or anything. It's like you want to celebrate everything that they liked and welcome them back to your life, at least for that day.

Xenia:

I love that we can also celebrate pets. Yeah, yeah, that was cute Because I feel like pets are such a big part, become such a big part of your life and, like I know, losing my pets has been really tough. And you know, I didn't even think about this, but I'm gonna start putting their picture up in my alter yeah.

Diana:

Yeah, I have my pet Selena. She was my pet, but I have her up and I have had her up and my great-grandma I love it. That's who I've put up, and I've also learned that you have to include the four elements.

Xenia:

So I didn't know this.

Diana:

Water, wind, earth and fire, and also you have to put salt.

Xenia:

Yeah.

Diana:

And the salt that I learned that this is. I thought it was gonna be for protection, but it's actually represents the continuance of life. Ooh, I love that, I know.

Nancy:

You were going witchy vibes.

Diana:

Yeah, exactly, I was getting witchy vibes because I thought you were supposed to put the salt to protect them.

Xenia:

Protect them.

Diana:

Yeah, but no, it's just represents life and I think that's so. We need to put water, water, wind.

Xenia:

How do we put wind?

Diana:

Great question, huh, you just blow in there.

Xenia:

once you know what I'm saying, I'll bring a fan near a window.

Diana:

You could put it near a window, huh, but how could no? But really, though, how can wind be represented?

Xenia:

That's a great question.

Diana:

That's a great question. I'm gonna have to look that up. And then, yes, going back to the marigolds as well, those help.

Xenia:

Maybe marigolds are wind, oh don't know how would that happen?

Diana:

Um, the oh marigold flowers are used to guide the souls of the departed during the day of the dead, so that's actually gonna make the pathway to and from. Yeah, to and from. And then, of course, you have to include the relative or past individuals' favorite foods or favorite snacks, and especially water as well.

Xenia:

Because they're thirsty when they get there. Yeah.

Diana:

So did you do anything? What do you do? What do you put in your altar?

Xenia:

So I put my dad's picture and I put my Well, I call her Grammy because she's technically my Grammy Also put my dad's mom, my grandma. So Grammy loved candy, so I always put Snickers or some like M&Ms or some kind of like candy. I always try to put candy for her, and my dad's favorite food was chile verde de puerco with some frijolitos de la olla, and my mom used to make them tortillas recién hecha su mano. So she always makes them that with a Coke and marshmallows because she loved marshmallows. And for my grandma I put Coke as well, because she loved Coke and coffee. So I always put food and hope the dogs don't eat it. Yeah, and I always try to put fresh flowers, candles and papel picado.

Diana:

That's something that I want to learn how to make, papel picado, because it's also part of the putting up in your altar. Buy it, no shame. Let's see Something that I also just learned You're not supposed to put an altar under a beam or a staircase, okay, um, because this can create oppressive and heavy energy. I know you know you don't want walking all over. If it's under a staircase, that makes sense. Actually, I put do you have an alternancy?

Nancy:

No, I've never.

Xenia:

Are you going to do one this year now?

Nancy:

I've been thinking about it, actually, I think I'm going to you should, for my grandma, yeah, and my uncle, yeah. Actually, I think I'm going to do it. Maybe we'll post pictures for everyone.

Xenia:

That would be awesome.

Nancy:

And then if people want to share their pictures of their altar, I would love that I have a logistical question and maybe it's dumb when you put out food, then you eat it after, or do you?

Xenia:

just throw it away. It depends Um. Sometimes I throw it away, sometimes we eat it, okay.

Nancy:

Yeah, it doesn't.

Diana:

It doesn't have like a meaning, no, Okay, but I mean, you don't want to eat it because it can go stale.

Nancy:

Cause you leave it all day.

Diana:

Yeah, cause you leave it multiple days.

Xenia:

I've left my stuff multiple. Yeah, I only put it out one, the main day, oh.

Diana:

The second.

Xenia:

Huh, but it's different for everybody.

Diana:

Okay, yeah, I've left it out.

Xenia:

For a month she's like oh shoot, I left it out for the whole month.

Diana:

Oh dang, there's supplies what?

Nancy:

They call the wrong energy.

Diana:

No, but something that I want to make this year and I didn't get to do it last year Um, a VPN. I don't know if you guys know what that is. Yeah, um, it's like a yeah Um, but that was my great grandma's favorite food, I think it was. And then something that I want to make an honor for her yeah, I love it. But other than that, I also include silver. Are you supposed to include jewelry in there? I?

Nancy:

don't know, but why not? They liked it, if it's something like cute and shiny.

Xenia:

So it's for you?

Diana:

No, it was for them Like hey look, here's some silver, but I don't know if that's something that I know it's your altering, you can put whatever. Yeah, I put it on there with great intentions.

Xenia:

Yeah, exactly that's what counts.

Diana:

And that's what counts in your um, in your altar as well. Yes, that's crazy how um all of these holidays, I guess, or celebrations, differ from the states to state or area or region in Mexico.

Nancy:

Is this a celebration that is that goes beyond Mexico? Do we know or suggest a regional?

Xenia:

as far as I know, it's very, very Mexican, maybe Central America.

Nancy:

Most likely America. Let's look at how close we are.

Xenia:

As far as I'm concerned, yeah, I'm looking right now. I'm excited for you to have a, not that of this year. Yeah, me too, yeah.

Diana:

Actually okay. While Mexico is the country most renowned for the other little moutos, um, it's celebrated across Latin America and beyond, from Brazil to the Philippines.

Xenia:

That's awesome.

Diana:

And it's. Yeah, it's always the November 1st and the 2nd. Sometimes, at least in Mexico, it's a three day celebration, of course. Um, I mean I have to party, but yeah, so the countries do celebrate the other little moutos, that's. I would never expect someone in the Philippines to be celebrated. I mean, good for them, yeah, that's awesome. But maybe that same feeling of honoring the spirit or the dead is passed along.

Nancy:

Yeah.

Diana:

That's pretty beautiful.

Xenia:

I'm sure every culture has their own way of celebrating their, their, the people that have loved them, so it'd be interesting to know how everybody else does it.

Diana:

Yeah, yeah, I love to see how they how they celebrate, how do they do they put up an altar?

Xenia:

Do they not do that? Yeah, like what do you? What do you include? Yeah, how do you remember?

Diana:

I feel like I have heard from other countries like cleaning be uh there, what's it called? Diseased persons, graves and bodies. I feel like it's not just like a thing from Mexico, I feel like I've heard about it in other places Interesting.

Xenia:

Yeah, it didn't seem like too foreign. It seemed, it seemed familiar.

Diana:

It seemed familiar, that's interesting.

Nancy:

I love that.

Diana:

I love that Also kind of the US is kind of embracing it a little bit, yeah, and I think it's not necessarily with um, I guess the celebration, but at least picking up a little bit of the um costumes and or making it into a costume.

Xenia:

Well, and I think, like you said, this is a a celebration that I'm okay sharing with people, and I'm okay people taking on this, this celebration, and making it their own in a way, because you've, most of us have lost somebody that's dear to our hearts and most of us are looking for some way to make that grief a little lighter. And I feel like, as far as for me, the A de los Muertos really did help me with that grief, but also like how cool would it be for other people, even if you know they're not Mexican, to be able to just put up a little alter and say I'm thinking about you and hoping that you are here with me, and if that gives them a little hope and a little Whatever relieve for that moment, like then, then I'm okay with that.

Nancy:

I think a lot of our traditions and things like that can be shared if they're Respected yes, yes, there's that respect, right, yeah and yeah it's. I mean, it's beautiful. If we all have that in common, then why not share it and do it and continue to show our love for people who have passed?

Diana:

Yes, I think their respect part is Extremely important. Yeah, cuz you know there's always those people are gonna be in front of this. Yes, that's totally okay. You know it's not okay. It's not okay, but it's okay because you know someone will come out and get to you. I'm gonna be a look at the rena. That's rena is the, is the standing school, the elegant standing school lady, and if you make fun, it's okay to do it, but like, just know that she's gonna come back be aware.

Xenia:

Yeah, she's gonna come and pull your feet. Yes, you will call the year on on you oh.

Diana:

Well, now that we have apologized her, maybe she will, maybe she'll be Love that for us.

Xenia:

You guys need to listen to the previous episode.

Diana:

Yeah, to kind of have an idea of what we're talking about, oh man, but I do hope that someday I get to go to Mexico and be like and celebrate fully how it's intended to be celebrated Exactly like the whole be there for the whole. I don't want to call it a festival, but yeah kind of sort of. So I hope that someday I'm able to go out there and celebrate it and celebrate it with the rest of the people and enjoy all those.

Xenia:

Yes, let's go together.

Diana:

Yeah, yes, done as record a podcast.

Xenia:

I think we should take this a little lighter. And well, okay, was, is it really lighter?

Nancy:

different, a little different yeah.

Xenia:

Yeah, yeah, and do some of that Diana's daily shit, oh.

Diana:

Man oh man. Yeah, it's not gonna be any lighter, I'm sorry.

Diana:

Today we're gonna be talking about the separation of religion and politics who am heated already, like the founding father, others intended to and they wrote in the declaration, not in the declaration, I'm so sorry in the Constitution, but no, but this is actually relating to Mexico, because they're right now, they're about to get ready for elections and I mean they can't release with us as well, of course, in the US. But there is a candidate who is pushing the religious idea to gain momentum, to gain support. Yeah, and I don't think that's appropriate. Not only do I not think it's appropriate, because not everyone Shares their religion but, also, it's not appropriate to use religion in this.

Xenia:

Manor Yep, you know I.

Diana:

I may not be the most religious person, but I do think that it should be respected, and pushing it with politics is not being respectful. So I'm I don't know man.

Xenia:

Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna get into this because I'm so excited about this candidate and I Absolutely cannot stand this guy and I'm so mad at everything he stands for because he is so freaking fake like yeah he cannot sit there and say that he is all about Mexico and he, you know, loves the Mexican people and the Mexican people.

Xenia:

That's in the Mexican people, that. And yet he's best friend with somebody that has talked so much crap about the Mexican people, that has put our name down, that has tried to bring us down. So you, you can't be all about the Mexican people when you're friends with people that hate Mexican people.

Diana:

And I'm gonna a little bit context this politician, not the individual, the Possible candidate, not him, but the other who's. He supports this Trump. Yeah, that's why we're mad, yeah.

Nancy:

Not just because he supports them, it's just the the idea that he's trying to perpetuate in Mexico are things that are not going to help the country move forward. I feel like there's been a lot of changes lately that are making, honestly, the country better.

Xenia:

Yeah, for everyone, for, like, the entire society, not just certain people individuals yeah, and he is trying to move backwards, yeah and and he hides behind this whole religious like what was me. I found my way like. He used to party and drink and be in. He was a celebrity and actor and he used to be doing all the things and now he judges people for. And now he's better than everyone else because he found God and God saved him and that's cool. If that's what you feel, that's fine, but you don't have to push that on everyone else like no, and I just can't stand the guy like I, I can't stand it.

Diana:

Yeah, yeah, going back to your point of being a hypocrite, yeah exactly. How can you support someone else's shitty ideas and then try to bring in to the country that this other Politician was extremely hateful towards? Yeah, you know that's it's not okay. How does this individual think it's okay? It's not okay to do that? How do you support?

Xenia:

Maybe this is Senya's daily shit. He supports this. He just recently produced this movie that was all about child trafficking, and I have so many feelings about that.

Diana:

I haven't watched the movie. I'm not gonna watch it. It's ridiculous Because I ended up being that one of the director directors was abusing women exactly.

Xenia:

So, like, how can you stand behind? Like, okay, fine, yes, children are being trafficked, that's a real thing. But why are we talking about the children that are being abused in all the churches? Like, let's talk about that too, like don't come here and pretend like you're better than everyone else because you're saving children in Countries where they're being trafficked, but why aren't you saving the children that are being abused by priests? Yeah why aren't we doing that instead and why aren't we making a movie about that?

Diana:

Why are we making a movie about it and not just doing actually like doing exactly so? I'm sorry, no.

Nancy:

I can't stand it.

Xenia:

I can't stand it even, and I'm sorry.

Diana:

No, people should be offended. You know it's okay to be offended, it's a double standard. It's a double standard to me, and hopefully the offense gets you to that point of I mean, I hope so Understanding that you can't be pro one thing and against the other thing right right, you know you have to be all or nothing. I'm sorry I should take that back, but I don't know.

Xenia:

Check your standards, yeah you can be against abortion, but being okay with children being raped by, yeah, people in the church like that's just not okay.

Nancy:

I think the problem is that he's using religion exactly and and that's the issue with all these things, right, Like it's okay if you want to believe in whatever you want to believe right. No judgment and that the problem is when you use your religion to judge other people, which is so.

Xenia:

Exactly. You're not looking at what your religion's doing or what you're doing.

Diana:

Yeah, like the whole point about religion is not judging, and being understanding, loving and being loving or respectful, but yet here we are pushing the this terrible agenda, yeah.

Xenia:

I don't know.

Diana:

I think we just wanted to talk about this because I think people should really separate their Way of thinking from politics and what's gonna benefit them and the religion it should just not be allowed to be a topic of conversation when you're running for any sort of office, like any position in government, basically Exactly because they're why, why, why?

Xenia:

Why? And if we're gonna do this for religion, then why are we bringing Buddhism? Islam and all these other religions into the mix, like why are we only following one belief, like we're only going about Christianity and that's not the only religion in the world? So I mean, if you're gonna bring in religion and politics, then why are we bringing all the religions into?

Diana:

politics? No, it's. Whatever people feel convenience to fight, it's unacceptable.

Xenia:

So if you're not gonna bring everyone in, just don't bring nothing at all.

Diana:

Don't bring anything at all. Anybody in any religion outside of politics, exactly Because that gets tricky in itself.

Nancy:

Separation of church and state Perfect.

Diana:

Operation of church and state. Please and shout out to Mexico for two women?

Xenia:

Yeah, I hope one of the women and this other candidate is not even. God, I feel so mad.

Diana:

I haven't heard a lot about him, so I've only heard about the two female candidates. I hope it stays like that.

Nancy:

Yeah, it worries me a little bit, just because he was famous, so people know the name.

Xenia:

Yeah and I'm afraid like they will recognize the name and choose it because of that, because he was like I'm afraid it's gonna be like a Trump thing.

Diana:

Oh man.

Nancy:

But let's hope not. Yeah, let's hope not.

Diana:

But anyway, shout out to Mexico for doing that. Yes, mexico.

Xenia:

And don't get your religion involved in your politics.

Diana:

Thank you. This is Senya's Daily Shit. I love that.

Xenia:

That was great. It was so heated about that one.

Diana:

I'm sorry, diana. Oh, it's okay, I like it. I like it when other people feel the rage.

Xenia:

Stand him.

Diana:

Nancy, that reminds me that you haven't had a Nancy's Daily Shit.

Nancy:

Have you ever seen me rage about anything? Not yet, not yet. You haven't.

Xenia:

I mean yes, but not on the podcast. So we're just waiting for that.

Nancy:

Okay, I'm one of these things yeah. I'm waiting for you If there's anything that pisses me off, I'll let you know the.

Xenia:

P word, but she's just so calm and so like put together, that's what we think. No, she is, but she is, but she is.

Diana:

She says Girl you're the one saying that.

Xenia:

Anyway, let's go back to Halloween and the other little smart girls. Halloween.

Diana:

They both have Christian background and it kind of has evolved into something better.

Nancy:

I think it's a fun time for people to you know, remember people they've lost who celebrate now with Halloween like have fun and dress up whatever you want it to be I don't know. I think it's just a cool time to to do all of those things and, like I said, I'll be watching all the movies and I'm excited.

Diana:

It's that time of the year. Stay tuned for Nancy's scary movie list oh yeah.

Nancy:

I like that.

Xenia:

Okay.

Nancy:

Okay, did we say our favorite scary movie?

Diana:

Never thought of one. The grudge, yeah, you said the grudge. I immediately.

Nancy:

Yeah, the Strangers was mine.

Diana:

I can't think of one. No, nothing scares you. No, I don't watch it because I'm too scared.

Xenia:

Did you watch any of the insidious movies?

Diana:

I watched one of them and I believe it was the second one. That one was very spooky. You know what I can think about the exorcist.

Nancy:

The original.

Diana:

Yeah, I watched them when I was very young and I was spooked the fuck out, and then I learned that there was like some weird shit happening in this set and stuff like that, and I was even more spooked out, like two or three of the actors died or something like that. Yeah, they had like weird instances and then there was death and yeah, there was a lot of spooky things going on.

Nancy:

Did you movie the Hussany like religious component, like that? I feel like there's always like death or something.

Diana:

And that's another point why it shouldn't be included in the policies.

Nancy:

There's nothing to do with it anyway, but yes, but yeah, it's the operation of church.

Xenia:

Bring it back. You said the viscid is your favorite, that's.

Nancy:

Jerome's favorite Favorite is the viscid. Okay, well, tell us in the comments what your favorite riskier movie is. We can watch them.

Diana:

And then I'll show. If you all show, my shiwa was coming here. If you have an altar, we'll be sharing ours. I'll try to share mine. I'm actually getting prepared for it. But share one with us. We'll post it. We'll celebrate it together.

Xenia:

And if we didn't mention any things that we should put in our altar.

Nancy:

So you know about you should let us know. Yeah, as a first timer, I'm gonna need all the help.

Xenia:

Yes, I'm so excited for you.

Diana:

We also need to figure out what the wind is for.

Xenia:

Yeah yeah, so if one of you guys know, let us know, because we need to know.

Diana:

Hold on. Thank you so much for everything you guys.

Xenia:

Thank you. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time.

Diana:

Love you.

Xenia:

Bye.

Nancy:

Thank you for listening to Latina State of Mind, produced by us, your awesome hosts, diana Senia and Nancy. Special shout out to Jerome, our editor. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram at LSOM underscore podcast and on Facebook at Latina State of Mind. Hasta la próxima.

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